Friday, May 2, 2025

This England: Family History and Fine Wine!

In an earlier post I mentioned that one thing Rick really wanted to do while in England was explore a bit more of his family history. That included investigating a family tree pedigree dating his ancestry back to King Edward I of England.


About five or six generations back, a man named Melville M. Bigelow, who is related to Rick on his dad's side, had his pedigree officially validated by the College of Arms in London. The info Rick had also included written-in lists by someone in Rick's family, continuing the line through his grandparents' generation. We had an appointment at the College of Arms to meet with one of their heralds to see what was involved in getting the pedigree updated to include those "written in" generations and those that followed, including Rick's dad, brothers, and their offspring.


The College of Arms is the official body responsible for matters relating to the flying of flags on land, and it maintains the official registers of flags and other national symbols. It grants new coats of arms and advises on genealogy and pedigrees, which was our reason for visiting.


The building (1670-77) is located right by the Millennium Bridge and St. Paul's Cathedral. We later learned that it survived the Great Fire of London by about a block! We arrived early, in time to walk the Millennium bridge. . . 


And enjoy the views, including that of Tower Bridge, where we'd visited a few days before!


Our appointment was with Tom, one of the heralds, or more specifically, a Pursuviant of Arms in Ordinary. This is his flag (at the top), the Rouge Cross. It's named for St. George's Cross, an English symbol since the Crusades. 

 

Tom pulled out a book we weren't allowed to photograph but included a hand-scribed version of Rick's document (without his family's additions, of course). The book was enormous, I'd guess about two feet tall and 18 inches wide. It was only one of many books found in the beautiful, cabinet-lined room.


Tom took Rick through the details and requirements to update the existing information (basically it boils down to a lot of birth/death/marriage documentation for the five or six later generations, along with a very hefty fee.) The more people you add and document, the better and bigger the pedigree -- and the more expensive!). Now Rick has a homework assignment!


After, we spent some time with Lucy, the receptionist and marvelous guide to the portraits, flags, displays and workings of the College of Arms. It is this organization that is responsible for coronations and many state occasions and one of the displays focused on the coronation of the late Queen Elizabeth. 


Lucy was a fountain of historic knowledge and it was such a satisfying morning. Apart from learning a lot about the process, we also enjoyed looking at the art and artifacts on display that Lucy described so well!

 

Now Rick has to get to work! 

After, we started walking, again admiring St. Paul's . . . 


. . . and this monument across the street honoring the firefighters that kept the magnificent Christopher Wren cathedral safe during the Blitz, along with fighting the many fires that erupted when bombs were dropped during the Blitz.

We thought it would be fun to celebrate after, and made a stop at a wonderful wine bar, Gordon's, near the Charing Cross tube. 

 

While they had outside seating, we were pleased to have chosen to sit inside, which was very cave-like! 


Their website says that it is thought to be London's oldest wine bar, established in 1890 and is a family-owned bar (as opposed to some of pubs, for example, that are owned corporately). 


The wine list had the three "E's" -- excellent, extensive and expensive. We opted for a glass and the cheese plate, which of course we dug into before it was photographed. 


It was a wonderful experience in a fun, interesting spot. I'd return in a heartbeat!


(They also had a very cool looking toilet!)


We had time before checking out of our hotel and moving over to Jenny and T's house for a couple of days. Rick wanted to go back to the guitar store. I wanted to walk about and encountered the National Portrait Gallery. 


More on that next time! Cheers!

Travel Tips:

  • If you are planning to do some research into your family history while traveling, come as prepared as possible. That might include names, birth or death dates, places they lived. On an earlier trip I found a good deal of information at the Westminster archives and the national archives at Kew (which we didn't visit) are said to be a treasure trove of information. Many churches have records as well. If you are into your family's genealogy, I can tell you from experience that being places your ancestors walked, knowing about their time, amplifies your personal experience with lives past. I think both Rick and I would agree that those things were worth every minute of our time. 
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56 comments:

Mae Travels said...

It is remarkable that Rick has so much detail about his ancestry.

Pamela said...

What an interesting Family History investigation! That must have been so cool!

My name is Erika. said...

That is cool about Rick's family tree. I didn't know you could do that. And I like that's one bar. I need to remember that whenever I get back to London because it looks like a fantastic experience. Thanks for more armchair travel Jeanie. I hope you've had a great start to May too. hugs-Erika

Tom said...

...thanks Jeanie for taking me along on this trip back in history! Here's to a Merry Month of May.

David M. Gascoigne, said...

I am glad that Rick was successful in his quest. As for the expensive wine bar, I read a blog recently, or maybe a news item, I can’t remember exactly, where an English chap did a bit of a parody on “Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.” His take was “Only fools and tourists spend their money in London!” He claimed that a weekend in London would cost more than the average worker earned in a week where he lived - and that was for one person, not a couple. And they still had to buy groceries for the rest of the week!

Anonymous said...

Fascinating reading about Rick’s family history. I remember the one and only time I visited Italy, very emotional walking where my parents and grandparents (who I never met) had walked. I stayed in the house my mum lived in as a child and young lady, walking up the stairs each day, thinking of all the family members who I had never met walking the same steps. My mum is 91 and although we have a fair bit of information, I want to ask her more and to record our conversation.

eileeninmd said...

Happy Month of May to you! I am happy Rick was so successful with his ancestry research.
The wine bar looks like a fun time. I like the views from the bridge.
Have a great day and a happy weekend.

maya said...

What a fascinating bit of family history... can't wait to hear what Rick's homework generates!

Anvilcloud said...

That is some great genealogical stuff that Rick has going on.

KarenW said...

My cousin had an occasion to spend some extended time in Edinburgh Scotland. He used his free time to further research our ancestors in small country Kirk's in the surrounding area. It was a most fruitful trip. We also discovered our ancestor was a glass blower in an interesting little Alley called Bells Wynd. Isn't that the coolest name?

Boud said...

Amazing that Rick can trace so far back. And he's going to enrich the Exchequer soon with his paperwork and fee. I expect they were happy to encourage that!

ashok said...

Remarkable how you can trace the family tree..very interesting experience

DVArtist said...

A beautiful post, wonderful photos, great looking food and I love your smile. That is so amazing that Rick was able to go back so far in his family line. Thank you for sharing with FFO and have a nice weekend.

acorn hollow said...

I had a great aunt that traced our family back to England not sure where all that information is right now.
That sure looks like a cave but yummy.
A wonderful trip.
Cathy

Carola Bartz said...

It must have felt very special for Rick (and for you as well, I'm sure) to find out about his ancestry and what to do now. It sounds like a lot of work to me (and money as well). I agree with you whole heartedly about the very special experience of walking where your ancestors lived. I felt like this when I visited Malbork and Gdanks in Poland after it had opened - my Dad's family is from there and they fled from there in 1945. Of course much has changed since then, those communist architectural construction sins are plain horrible. However, the landscape hadn't changed that much and I could find a lot of the charm of that area. The pub looks wonderful - but I also agree with David, London IS hideously expensive.

Linda's Relaxing Lair said...

Fascinating. I have not been able tyet to trace my family tree back that far! Your photos are beautiful.

Rustic Pumpkin said...

I have given up on my genealogy, wrestling with too many errors on the part of others, including one registered in the actual Public Records Office! You would think they'd be correct.
How fascinating for Rick to be so well connected

Bill said...

That experience sounds interesting. Now, the fun begins for Rick tracing his ancestor connections.

Christine said...

Lovely photos

Gene Black said...

I am jealous. I love working on my family genealogy. Our family (both sides) came from Britain. I "know" that we are related to The Royal Family. Queen Elizabeth II is my tenth cousin once removed (aka one generation difference)
It is so fascinating to know where we came from.

roentare said...

What an incredible experience—tracing Rick’s lineage back to King Edward I and visiting the historic College of Arms sounds unforgettable! It’s amazing to see history come to life like that, even if it comes with a bit of homework

Lowcarb team member said...

Thank you for another great post.
How wonderful that Rick was able to go back so far in his family line.

All the best Jan

Joy's Book Blog said...

Visiting the College of Arms is such an amazing and unique experience in London. Thanks for taking us along!

Joanne said...

Oh that is so neat! My grandfather was able to trace our ancestry to the Mayflower crossing but I'm not sure if he ever went further back than that.

Rita said...

That is so nice that Rick can follow his ancestry so far back! My grandfather and great grandparents came over from Sweden and it is difficult to follow family from overseas...especially when they cut ties after moving to the United States. Mt sister was the one who tried in our family, but couldn't get far. Kudos to Rick! I hope all his information gets registered into history!! :)

Karen @ Beatrice Euphemie said...

Wonderful that Rick is pursuing the family ancestry and able to visit the place where it all began! It will be an interesting legacy for future generations to follow up on, too. The wine bar looks like my kind of place. Cozy, dark, with wine and cheese (my downfall!) and of course, good company! Love the beautiful sights from the bridge. x K

Lorrie said...

It's wonderful that you were able to go see the book of ancestry and be able to update it. What a project for Rick.
There is so much history around every corner in Europe. Fascinating.

Lisbeth said...

Wow, isn't that fantastic. Thank you so much for you various article on your time in the UK. Very interesting.

Sami said...

Fascinating details about Rick's ancestry and that he can actually certify that at the College of Arms. I've been researching my ancestry on and off for the last 20 years. Luckily with the help of a Portuguese website, with a yearly fee, I've been able to get further back and also have Portuguese , Spanish and French and royalty in my blood. Such a great hobby, even though it's time consuming... Have a great weekend Jeanie.

Iris Flavia said...

You had me laughing. In Germany pedigree is dog-food!
Germans are so dumb (I may say that, I am German).
Interesting story and I love that cave. And loo!

Jim and Barb's Adventures said...

Oh boy, no doubt he is going to want you to treat him like royalty now! It is incredible that they can trace lineage back that far.

La Table De Nana said...

Good for Rick.I don't know why I have no interest in dogging deep into my ancestry.Perhaps the fact I lost my own parents so young and never even knew a grandparent..My son-in-law will love London.He is such a monarchist.He will be in seventh heaven.Im sure you have heard that The Royals..King Charles will be in Parliament here May 27th I believe.I adore the English accents as I adore the French accents..

Prims By The Water said...

What a wonderful trip for Rick to learn about his ancestry. Will you have to start treating him like royalty now? :-) Some in my dads family think we are from a line of aristocrats from France but I have not any proof of it myself. I can only go back 4 generations. Janice

shoreacres said...

I'm glad for Rick that he's had that experience, and gained some knowledge around the way, but the whole business seems far too much work for too little reward. Besides that, I've only ever heard 'pedigree' used in reference to dogs- - that may be slanting my perception!

Harvee said...

How exciting for him to reach that far back, and to a famous person at that!

Little Wandering Wren said...

What a wonderful memory of your trip to England I had no idea this could be done. I love walking in the footsteps of my family especially in foreign lands!
Have a great weekend!
Wren xx

Anonymous said...

How wonderful to trace your family history, Rick will have lots to do and much to explore…I think we all like to remember our ‘people’…great post on your lovely trip. Best, Virginia

Breathtaking said...

Hello Jeanie :)
I am pleased that Rick was able to obtain more information about his ancestry. Geology is a fascinating subject, and it's uncommon for Rick to already know so much about his lineage. I wish him good luck with his research. The wine bar looked like a cool place to have a glass of wine accompanied by an appetising
meal. Loved all your photos Jeanie.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend,
All the best
Sonjia.

Elisabeth said...

What a memorable trip!
I often dive right in to eating before I remember I want to photograph the food! Oops.

anno said...

What a memorable experience! It's great that Rick go to learn what it will take to connect the dots -- interesting to find one's way all the way back to Edward I... a challenging figure to have in one's lineage, but overall a good king, I think.

Love the cave bar -- who cares about the expense! to drink in atmosphere like that (and the bread and cheese plate looked, lovely, too) is one of the reasons we spend money on vacations!

Pam Richardson said...

Amazing info about Rick’s ancestry and so interesting. Best wishes with his homework. The wine bar looks fabulous!

Veronica Lee said...

What an awesome experience! How cool that Rick’s family history goes all the way back to King Edward I—and that you got to see those old records at the College of Arms. Loved the mix of history, sightseeing, and wine! That cave-like bar sounds like a hidden gem.

DeniseinVA said...

Such an interesting and fascinating post Jeanie. The records kept that go so far back are phenomenal. You have been exceptional detectives in finding more on Rick’s ancestry. Marvelous photos! I am back blogging after having spent a wonderful time with my overseas family. Feels great to be visiting again.

Sandi Magle said...

Fascinating. Ancestry is so fascinating, my Danish roots have turned into Norwegian roots back to the 1400's and probably will be able to go back further. On the connecting with the past, I know when i walked the Dunes and grasses of my family's hometown in Denmark, alone....with the salt wind of the sea on my face and the sand grasses beneath my feet, I could feel the angst of a family wanting to leave for better opportunities, but still being connected to the land and sea of Northern Denmark. They were fishermen or farmers. No one can prove we inherit memories...But.....Sandi

gigi-hawaii said...

Good for Rick. David is English, Scottish and Irish. He isn’t interested in his pedigree. That toilet reminds me of the one in a London student hostel. I had to pull a chain to flush it. It made a roar. The toilet paper was waxed on one side. Ewww.

Sandra Cox said...

Fascinating. AND. Can you imagine a family owned pub dating back that far staying in the family?

Bleubeard and Elizabeth said...

What an honor. I'm impressed how far back Rick can go in his family line. It was a fascinating read and memorable photos.

That wine bar sounds nice, even if I don't drink wine. Sounds like it was a win for you two, even if it was pricey.

Hena Tayeb said...

How fascinating. I know nothing beyond my great grandparents.. even that information is limited.

Red Rose Alley said...

That is wonderful that Rick wants to explore his family ancestry. It sounds like you learned a lot while visiting this place. That would be interesting to see the flag that dates back to the time of the Crusades. I've always thought it was neat for one to know their own family's coat of arms symbol. Wow, that wine bar goes way back, London's oldest bar. I'm glad you had a nice wine visit, and the cheese plate goes well with the wine. You have a lot of good memories from your time in London, Jeanie. So good that you are recording all of it.

~Sheri

Debbie said...

i don't know much about my family history and i wish i did. rick's is quite interesting and your photo's are wonderful!!

Deb Nance at Readerbuzz said...

My dad has found paperwork tying our Ashley people to Lady Jane Cooper of England. He would love to have that confirmed, but I'm not sure he ever will. How fun that Rick is doing this! I wish him luck.

nicole orriens said...

What a lovely vacation and way to find out about your family history!

jeanie said...

So much cheaper to be related to peasantry!! Agricultural labourers, carpenters and miners litter my family tree - the good news is it costs nothing to join!! Very interesting wander though. How related to Gordon's Gin is the bar?

Carol @Comfort Spring Station said...

I watch the PBS show with Professor Gates, Finding Your Roots. I always wish us regular people could have a chance for a free ancestry crawl through the ages. I hate to think of how much the fee is for that.

crackercrumblife said...

I would love to research my family history more - maybe one day! My niece is interested in it, so maybe it can be a project I do with her. What a wonderful experience for Rick! And if I ever visit England, I am going to that pub!!

Marilyn Miller said...

How fascinating! I hope Rick gets his homework done and the information added to the records. The wine shop looks like fun to visit too.

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